Uncategorized | 1:02 am | December 19, 2009 | By Carmen Lu

Four’s company for Yale pre-frosh

The story of Ray, Martina, Carol and Kenneth Crouch of Danbury, Conn. appeared on the front page of The New York Times Saturday.
The story of Ray, Martina, Carol and Kenneth Crouch of Danbury, Conn. appeared on the front page of The New York Times Saturday. Photo by The NewYorkTimes.

Among the 730 students who have been offered admission to next year’s freshman class are Ray, Martina, Carol and Kenneth Crouch of Danbury, Conn. — the first set of quadruplets to gain acceptance to Yale in recent memory.

When they went online Tuesday afternoon to check their admissions decisions, all four 18-year-olds were greeted with the same message: “Welcome to the Class of 2014.” After that came a flurry media attention: on Thursday, the Connecticut Post and Danbury’s News-Times both published articles about the foursome, and their story appears on the front page of today’s New York Times.

The four siblings all attend Danbury High School, where they have distinguished themselves in different areas: Ken is a National Merit Scholarship finalist, Carol is heavily involved in community service, Ray is captain of the varsity cross-country team and Martina has won recognition for her original poetry.

It is rare for Yale to accept four students from the same school — let alone from the same family — and Carol Crouch, the quadruplets’ mother, recalled being told on a campus visit that it was unlikely all four siblings would be accepted to Yale, she told the Connecticut Post.

While the Crouch siblings all said they are considering Yale’s offer of admissions, their mother has encouraged them to complete their applications to other schools.

“It comes down to money, as much as I love Yale,” Ken said Thursday to the News-Times.

Comments
  • Yale ’00

    Congratulations to all four of you – and to your parents!

    I hope that Yale’s financial aid offer is good enough that all of you are able to attend Yale, if that’s what you decide you want.

  • eh

    I hope for no financial aid–we all get the same education, we should all pay the same price. Also, with a Yale education your expected future income is enough to take out any loans.

    I hate financial aid. It’s more and more to make the lives of upper-middle class families miserable.

  • Branford

    @eh(@#2): Your comment is self-refuting. Yalies clearly don’t “all get the same education.” Most Yalies get an amazing education and develop into thoughtful, nuanced thinkers during their time here. But then there are people like you, who don’t.

    If the Crouch kids or other pre-frosh are reading this comment thread, please ignore people like “eh” — they’re not representative of Yale. Sure, there will always be a few stupid, entitled, arrogant kids around who wish that Yale were more of a country club. (These people should have gone to Princeton.) But there are very few of them. And most of them grow up enough to know better after a year or two here, not least because Yale requires them to meet and interact with the majority, who are not of their social class, for the first time in their lives. Most Yalies are on financial aid, and that is as it should be.

  • what #3 said!

    Ditto. Have a feeling #2 doesn’t even go to Yale anyway…

    In any event, congrats to you four! I’m sure you’ll have some great schools too choose between. Hope Yale makes you an unbeatable financial aid offer — as they did for me.

  • DoodleLover

    This is so cool. Y’all should join the Yale community and make history! I doubt Yale or any other uber-selective school will get quadruplets for another 100 years. You guys will be legendary (and if not, at least get a shoutout on Wikipedia) :D

  • Recent Alum

    Well said #2 — I don’t agree that Yale should abolish financial aid, but these days Yale is going too far. If you think “it all comes down to money,” then you don’t appreciate the value of a Yale education and the Yale experience. Given how selection Yale is, doesn’t it make more sense for the university to admit those students who most want to be there (assuming comparable qualifications, of course)?

  • Yale grad

    It’s hard to resist feeding the obnoxious trolls (#2 and #6) but I’m gonna try.

    Instead, CONGRATULATIONS to Ray, Martina, Carol and Kenneth on your fantastic accomplishment. You should come to Yale! It is a uniquely amazing school.

  • Harvard ’07

    I hope these kids don’t get any finaid from Harvard either. We don’t need any more hippies who just became b.s. high school teachers or social workers and end up contributing nothing to the school, money-wise or prestige-wise.

    My friend was at a H Club meeting in Paris, and this guy from some H class in the 60s was moaning about how his daughter couldn’t get into Harvard despite her “legacy”. That idiot didn’t realize legacies don’t mean anything to H if you became a social worker and can’t even support your own kid’s education.

  • @ Harvard ’07

    Your anecdote doesn’t support your first paragraph–there’s no indication that the daughter’s planned major was a “b.s.” major.
    Also, many terrific high school teachers were essential in helping to prepare students(other than home-schooled folks) for their Yale experience. Sure, I had a few duds, but my AP Latin, English, and other teachers changed my life and expanded my worldview. Also, those on the bottom gain at least a meager lifeline from social workers. I have been educated enough not to begrudge them that small pittance.
    We need all kinds of professionals–bankers and teachers, lawyers and social workers–to make a thriving society. What “we don’t need any more” of is your entitled, elitist attitude.

  • Harvard ’07

    Alright, my initial point was not clear.

    The point isn’t that these kids or people like them aren’t worse for becoming hs teachers or social workers, but they don’t need Harvard or Yale to do it. There’s no reason the school should give a coveted spot to people who aren’t going to take adv. of it. I’m all for poor kids getting finaid to go to H or Y to become leaders in their fields (be it banking, medicine, law, education), but I don’t get the feeling from reading the NYT article about these kids that they are particulary hungry to do exceptionally well.

  • sm 2010

    #8/10 – I REALLY hope you’re being facetious.

    anyone reading this thread (including the quads) – PLEASE don’t think these comments represent yale. I don’t think I know anyone who’s closed-minded enough to think a yale education is all about making a lot of money and that being a high school teacher is beneath the value of degree (the fact that TFA’s the largest employer of graduating seniors probably best symbolizes that).

    anyway, congratulations! hopefully you’ll all end up at yale – and if you do, you’re in for a great four years.

  • @ Harvard ’07 by y’09

    I have too many objections to raise for a comment box, so I’ll just list a few:

    1) Public service, such as teaching or social work, is not a pursuit that should be mocked, but rewarded. Teach For America is the largest employer of Yale grads (and I’d bet Harvard as well) and is funneling talented people into a field that has traditionally not been valued by our elite institutions. A good teacher can change the lives of hundreds of students over the course of a career. The next Barack Obama or Sonia Sotomayor (putting aside your political affiliations) could be inspired to achieve by a Yale or Harvard educated, excellent teacher.

    2) You clearly do not understand the point of a liberal arts education. You talk about how it isn’t necessary to go to Yale to become a teacher. Well, you don’t need a Yale education to be a i-banker either (I’m guessing you are a master of the universe type). Perhaps you should have gone to a state school where you could “take adv” of your education and maybe have taken some Microsoft Excel courses.

    3) I’m so thankful that you did not attend Yale. While we have our share of a–holes (what institution doesn’t?), we have a community that values the diverse paths alumni choose to take.

    4) This is an anecdotal point. As a recent alumnus, and a teacher, I can tell you how useful my stories of Yale are as an investment tool for my students. When I tell my inner-city students about the opportunities I had at Yale, it makes them want to work that much harder to get there. I understand not everyone can get into Yale, but if a kid learns to read and wants to go to college because of stories I’ve told them about my experience, I would have to say that is positive for society.

    Enjoy your miserable, elitist existence a–hole.

    To the quads–you should come to Yale. While I can’t promise you will entirely escape elitism, you will be sure to find a wealth of thoughtful and interesting people.

  • wow

    This thread really brought out the clueless right-wing elitists. Wow.

    Anyway, congratulations to the four of you!

  • Harvard ’07

    FYI – TFA’s a major employer on Ivy campuses because most of the bottom 20% of the class couldn’t get into ibanking in a recession year.

    hey, enjoy your 2 years in TFA and whatever urban hell you end up in. My guess is you’ll end up like my former pre-law advisor, who lost all his idealism after getting spat on and kicked by the little monsters in his Bronx classroom, and burnout after a year, ride the admissions bump for TFA types into law school, and end up as a faceless grunt in corporate law.

    As I said, I’m all for poor kids getting finaid to go to H or Y to become leaders in their fields (be it banking, medicine, law, education). I’m all for it because I’m living it – finaid + H on my resume helped me get into an awesome career that directly impacts the growth of companies and jobs for society, and the training and socialization I got out of H are helping me to succeed in it. I plan on giving back to H one day so I think H should value me then as someone who’s contributed to society and money to the school, much more so than a classmate who becomes just another social worker. Arne Duncan or Michelle Rhee are people I’d consider to be successes in education, and their Ivy pedigrees helped them get to a position where they’re going to have more impact on society than any individual teacher can. But as I said, I don’t get the feeling that with a #46 class rank (and on down) in some random public hs, these quads have that same drive.

  • Old Blue “73

    Good to see Harvard is still admitting some of the same old arrogant a-holes they always did. Wanna bet Harvard ’07 is a third or fourth generation Cantab?

  • Goldie ’08

    I actually agree with Harvard ’07′s sentiments, but what do I know, I’m just a clueless “i-banker.”

    Admittedly he is a little harsh on TFA (though candidates should admit they are doing it for the resume boost). I’m more disappointed in my fellow Yalies that come from wealthy families and graduate to “travel” “work abroad” “teach english” “study in england” or “study literature.” Anything to avoid doing work. The ironic thing is that many of these yalies come from wealthy families that got that way by having one or two parents go to good schools, get high paying jobs in law, business or medicine and earn a lot of money to give their children a wonderful life and the opportunity to go to yale than wander aimlessly for the next 5 years.

  • CC 09

    To you pitiful fools who don’t seem to see value in “literature” and in any endeavor that does not involve sitting behind a desk being a tool, I’ll quote one of this country’s Founding Fathers:

    “I must study politics and war, that our sons may have liberty to study
    mathematics and philosophy… in order to give their children
    a right to study painting, poetry, music, architecture, statuary,
    tapestry and porcelain.” — John Adams

    It is actually a pretty natural course for children of wealthy people to either 1) be dumber than their forebears and not get into a good school despite the legacy (so stop blaming finaid — your kid’s just dumb), or 2) get into the good school and aspire to something greater than the 9 to 5 job that kept daddy away from home every day.

    In fact, if you were as successful as, say, the Rockefellers or Carnegies, you’d be happy if you’d provided a chance for a half dozen generations of your descendants to be art history majors so they wouldn’t suffer through your soul-sucking job.

    I’d rather be sitting at a dining hall table learning from a kid on finaid than from your kid, if those are the ideas that your imparting on him. And I think the Yale Admissions Office does, too.

  • yale11

    Congrats to the Crouch kids, but one wonders if their being quadruplets had anything at all to do with the admissions decisions? I mean, if the one that applied with a rank 46 (which is low by any standards) was not a quadruplet, one wonders if (s)he would have gotten in?

  • TFAer ’09 @ Harvard ’07

    I chose TFA over a hedge fund, 3 banking jobs, and 2 consulting offers in NY because I believed in it. It was not to pad a resume and it was not for lack of options. Get over yourself.

    P.S. I love your veiled admission to your master of the universe status.

  • @ Harvard ’07

    You said you consider Michelle Rhee a success in the field of education. This is true, but after she graduated from an Ivy League, she did TFA.

    BOZO.

  • @self-righteous Yalies

    Hey kids, go read Atlas Shrugged. The moochers and looters? That’s you. I’ll stand next to Harvard ’07, and I DO go here. You can go the TFA route all you want, but don’t mock other people for taking less philanthropic, more profitable jobs. That makes YOU the “elitist a-holes.” Sure, what you’re doing is selfless, but without the motors of the world, none of this would matter. I respect #19 for walking the talk; at least his charity stems from something besides guilt or lack of ability to do anything else. Still, recognize that not everyone “believes in it,” and that there’s nothing terribly egregious about building factories and empires out of self-interest instead. Quite the opposite, in fact- such people DO move the universe.

  • anon

    It is actually hard to get a TFA job–hell, I got banking jobs and in now way could have gotten TFA (not that I would have wanted it).

    But, I highly doubt that they all would have gotten in had they not been quads. 46 is a low class rank and it doesn’t seem any of them have done anything super extraordinary by Yale standards. They could be good applicants from the whole app, but I bet that being part of the family helped. Even a class rank of 13 is comparatively low for a non-special applicant.

  • Yale’07

    Just wanted to a) agree with the sentiments of most of the normal people on this list (like TAFer ’09) and b) point out to any prospective students that Harvard ’07′s attitude is representative of Cantabs…so go to Cambridge at your own risk. Also, Harvard ’07, since when are i-bankers such great people? How are you making a more useful contribution to society than a good teacher? Great, you have a lot of money and live in a huge apartment…how does what you do help people? Oh wait, you’re clearly not interested in that at all…silly me. FYI, given the current state of the economy, you might want to be careful about how much you talk up the banking profession. Many of us who are doing useless things like getting PhDs in literature (i.e. just trying to avoid hard work in your opinion) aren’t too impressed with the banking community of late…

  • YALE grad

    It’s *too* funny that this thread about four exciting new admits to Yale has been totally hijacked by some weirdo who is almost the perfect caricature of a money-grubbing, ibanking tool… and who admits that he didn’t even go to Yale! (Yet he has nothing better to do than read our student newspaper and post asinine, insulting comments. Please, Harvard ’07, take it to the Crimson and leave us alone.)

    Yale is a fantastic place. It’s fantastic because it offers so much _more_ than just a prestigious ticket one could choose to cash in for a soul-destroying, miserable life moving numbers around a spreadsheet while being paid shocking sums of cash.

    Most Yalies — and I would say, most of the smartest and most interesting Yalies — do not go this route. Teach For America is only one tiny slice of it. Most of the people I knew at Yale are now (about 10 years out) doing amazingly interesting stuff. Many are researchers and professors in all different fields of the sciences, humanities, and social sciences; some are now working in the Obama administration; some are entrepreneurs of various different kinds; others are civil rights lawyers, union organizers, or political activists; still others are journalists, writers, artists, even Broadway actors and singers… the list is really long. And as time goes on it only gets longer. It’s true that some of my classmates got sucked in to the ibanking monster, but not that many of them, and some of those who did quickly found their way out again.

    The reason the four of you (or any subset of you who want to) should choose Yale is precisely that it offers so much more than the narrow vision of so-called “leadership” that some elitist status-mongers on the outside sometimes falsely project onto Yale just because it’s so hard to get in. Once you get here, you’ll see immediately that Yale is much, much more than a high-prestige place to get your ticket stamped. Indeed when I think of what Yale has done for me in my life, that’s the last thing I think of. Yale is a collection of some of the most thoughtful, unusual, intellectually curious people you’ll ever get the chance to get to know. It’s a cliche, but you really will learn a lot from your classmates as well as from your classes. So come to Yale!

    But don’t take anyone else’s word for it. Come to pre-frosh days in the spring and have a look for yourself.

  • re Ibanking

    People still work in ibanking? That’s so 20th century lol

  • YaleDanbury2012

    GO CROUCHES AND DANBURY HIGH SCHOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Also shut up with all these comments guys. Why do people on threads always have to find a reason to duke it out about SOMETHING.

  • Lux et Veritas all the way!

    CONGRATS to the QUADS. I hope they choose Yale – it’s a beautiful and diverse campus that welcomes people from all backgrounds, creeds, nationalities, and races!

    Also, I doubt #10 has a Harvard degree but if he/she somehow does and has found time to troll the YDN, I’m glad they’ve taken the time to represent the Cantabs poorly lol!

    Yes, Ibankers showed just how much of a great liberal arts, ivy-league education it takes to ALMOST RUN THE WORLD ECONOMY INTO GROUND and be saved by all these “normal” teachers and everyday Americans. Maybe the somewhat coveted ibanking spots should be reserved for some kids from schools with useful technical and financial training rather than some super “hungry” faux elitist with a liberal arts education and quasi-rich parents who only encouraged avarice, envy (and thinly-veiled hate) as useful character traits.

  • Y2011

    congrats to four of you. hope yale’s financial aid comes through! its crazy to me how arrogantly selfish some people are who are commenting. dumb selfish people like #2 wouldn’t annoy me if they weren’t so insistent that the whole world be selfish like them.

  • yale ’08

    Congrats to the quads!

    And Harvard ’07 is without a doubt a complete fake (i.e. trolling provocateur). Even Cantabs are not that brazenly arrogant and insensitive. If he/she is real, then they are pretty sad.

    Also, class rank is relevant to class quality, so I don’t understand the posts that assume 46th in the class is unusually low for Yale. Danbury High School is one of the top schools in CT.

  • Yale CC ’08

    Harvard ’07:

    TFA’s a major employer on Ivy campuses because most of the bottom 20% of the class couldn’t get into ibanking in a recession year

    Well said, that is if you are a complete MORON who doesn’t know anything about what they are talking about. TFA has a completely different selection process than banking or consulting. And it is hard to get selected for TFA.

    People like you are revolting, go away!!

  • Harvard Law School Alum

    Interesting how both the article and the Yalie commenters conspicuously avoided the issue of whether the Quad would have been admitted at Harvard. With only one 800 among 12 SAT sections (as among the four) and class ranks between 10 and 46, I doubt even one of them will get in at H. Not that I am surprised that Yale admissions is more interested in making decisions based on who is most likely to get in the Times than based on outstanding academic credentials.

  • Yale Law School alum

    Congratulations to all four of you.

    I hope you are able — after financial aid offers come in — to attend any school you choose… and I hope you choose Yale.

  • Eli Yale

    Dear Harvard navel-gazer (@31):

    You claim this article “conspicuously avoided” discussing whether these four excellent students “would have been admitted” at your particular institution.

    Why, exactly, is this a question any of the rest of us should care about? Of course YOU care about it, since you are apparently stuck at Harvard Law School, which is even more inferior to Yale Law School than Harvard College is inferior to Yale College. And so you try to cling to some pathetic, self-serving notion that Harvard is somehow better than Yale in order to mitigate your own misery and perhaps, your regrets, either that you did not get in to Yale, or that you did get in and made the massive mistake to go to Harvard instead.

    As one of the many, many happy Yale graduates who turned down Harvard years ago, let me tell you: I have no such regrets. (I turned Harvard down twice, actually, once for Yale College, and once for Yale Law School. Two of the best decisions I’ve ever made.)

    I’ve been around long enough to see a lot of classes admitted to Yale, and at this point I have a lot of faith in the Yale admissions process. While the process is not perfect, I would say that Yale’s gatekeepers do a fabulous job, overall, in seeking out the strongest applicants with a wide variety of diverse talents, goals, and kinds of potential. This is why Yale College is such a vibrant environment. The extracurricular life here is extremely rich (compared for example to Harvard, which has less going on even though it’s larger).

    To all of you who want to make a game out of attacking the reported credentials of the quads featured in this article, let me respectfully suggest that you don’t have the first clue about what you’re talking about. If Yale wanted to stop reading applications and just rely on some kind of SAT-and-class-rank matrix, it could fire half its admissions staff. And Yale would be much the worse for it. If Yale just admitted every valedictorian and every perfect-SAT kid, it could probably fill the class that way, but Yale would be a far more boring place than it is now. Part of what makes Yale great is that we have admissions officers who actually take the time to read people’s applications, to separate the truly extraordinary from the merely excellent. It’s an art, not a science, and if you think you can second-guess this art without even reading the applications in question, you are making a complete fool of yourself.

    Sincerely,

    Eli Yale

    p.s. congrats to the quads!

  • Jordon Walker ’13

    I agree with the Harvard alum. I mean I am on financial aid at Yale, and I sure intend to give back to the school when I capitalize on the education that Yale offers. In my humble opinion, those who are on financial aid have the largest responsibility to give back to Yale.

    That said, choosing to serve in socially rewarding, low paying professions is still admirable.

  • Harvard ’07

    Wow, this thread sure does say something about some Yalies – responding with ad hominem attacks, slinging around profanity online, and missing my points is really a great mark of what some of you took away from a Yale education.

  • BR2010

    Harvard ’07, why are you even here? Go read your own school’s publication, especially if you’re just here to hate.

  • gradstudent12

    #46 Class rank and admitted? Sure, race had nothing to do with this. I’d rather go to a lousy state school (like I did for undergrad) and know that I EARNED IT.

  • Yale ’00

    @37 (“gradstudent12″): What a load of tired, old BS. You have absolutely no idea what was in these students’ applications. Plenty of white applicants with far, far lower class rank percentiles than these are admitted to Yale every year, for many, many different reasons.

    When you claim to be able to explain why these particular people were admitted based on nothing but a class rank number and a photo (for race), you are making a fool of yourself, as somebody pointed out already. Indeed I would add that you are revealing much more about yourself than about these students.

    Yale looks at the whole applicant – ambitions, accomplishments, everything, not just a class rank number. People like you, on the other hand, see only a couple of numbers, and race. I’m so thankful that people like you are NOT in charge of Yale admissions!

    And by the way, no, you didn’t “earn” anything at 18. No one does. Unless you’d like to explain how you “earned” the parents who raised you and the teachers and schools from which you learned from ages 5-18? Sure, if you worked hard, that helped a lot; in fact it was necessary. But it wasn’t sufficient. Not even close. So don’t tell me you “earned” your place any more than the rest of us did, or any more than these four fantastic-sounding, successful Yale College applicants did. For all of us, whether we went to college at Yale or a “lousy state school,” just being able to go to college at all means we’re very fortunate, and frankly, that we have a lot of people to thank besides ourselves.

  • Yale ’08

    @gradstudent12 Just because a student is #46, does not mean that it is not a high GPA–depends on many factors. I was ranked #59 but had a 4.4 GPA weighted on a 4.0 scale (my school offered over 30 AP classes and IB, so the number of AP/IB classes you took affected your GPA and thus your ranking).

    Also, the NY times article says that they also had high test scores. So, she probably did earn it.

  • Yale CC ’08

    Wow, Harvard ’07 and other conspicuously pro-Cantab ranters showed their true colors here. I particularly love the obsession over SATs and class rank. Quite sad(but typical) that such poor indicators of overall student quality are the only things Cantabs can invoke when making egregious and petty claims.

    Also, #32, you are living proof that Harvard is indeed a ‘degree mill’ for over-competitive and self-centered students that couldn’t get into Yale (or worse, made the massive mistake not to attend).

    Last but not least, #37, please keep your racially based dispersions to yourself unless you can actually think carefully through what it is exactly that you’re saying. I believe Yale ’00 put you in your proper place so I have nothing to add on that note.

  • To: #40

    The great majority of applicants who are admitted to both Harvard and Yale choose Cambridge over New Haven.

    http://www.mychances.net/blog/2009/12/06/college-rankings-4-college-preference-matchups/2009-college-preference-matchup/

  • glad I chose Yale over Harvard

    @41: If 2/3 of your friends jumped off a cliff, would you jump too? More seriously: just because 2/3 of people who get into both choose Harvard over Yale doesn’t mean they’re right.

    Judging from the small sample of people I knew at Harvard and at Yale, in the end Yale was a much better experience for most people, and the 1/3 or so of us who chose Yale over Harvard were the ones who got the better deal in the end. Yale is just much more focused on undergraduate education. It’s not too hard to see why. Yale College is a much bigger and more important part of Yale University than Harvard College is of Harvard University.

    One of the reasons that some subset of the people who choose Harvard do so is that it has a massive, international reputation as the greatest, best, most prestigious university in the world. Some applicants may not be aware that Yale College provides a better experience for undergraduates; other people may just insist that they must always go to the top, the #1 university, no matter what, simply because they’re that kind of person. I’m talking about the person who has always been #1 at everything through high school and is going to keep at it, come hell or high water. I think one of the hidden benefits of choosing Yale is that you avoid most of the people like that.

  • Jordon Walker ’13

    The great majority of applicants who are admitted to both Harvard and Yale choose Cambridge over New Haven.

    Even though I love Yale to death, even I would have preferred if Yale wasn’t in such a janky city.

  • Yale law grad

    @43: FWIW, having spent time living in both towns, I DEFINITELY prefer New Haven to Cambridge.

    Everybody trashes New Haven. But ultimately, it’s a better place to live (in my view) than Cambridge. The main difference between the two places is an aesthetic one: an old New England city (New Haven) versus what is, fundamentally, a mostly-wealthy suburb of Boston. Cambridge offers more in the way of expensive shopping; the crowds look a little preppier. But honestly, if you’re looking for preppy, go to Princeton.

    If you actually live in both places, as I’ve done, you’ll notice a few counterintuitive things after a while. For one thing, as far as safety, Harvard students are the victims of crime significantly more often than Yale students. New Haven has dangerous areas, but they’re far from Yale. OTOH, Harvard students walking around Cambridge get mugged relatively often, as it turns out. Don’t take my word for this – compare the emails you’ve received from James Perrotti over the past year to the emails a Harvard friend of yours has received from Perrotti’s Harvard counterpart in the same period. I was reading both sets of emails for a while, and the difference is very noticeable (and I would be very surprised if Yale students were getting mugged and Yale was illegally not sending out emails about it). On a happier subject, I find that New Haven has better restaurants than Cambridge -lots of my favorite New Haven places have no good Cambridge counterparts. New Haven indisputably has more theater going on than Cambridge. Living off campus in New Haven is more affordable (even today). I could go on, but you get the idea.

    New Haven is not New York. Would I prefer to live in New York? Sure. But Cambridge isn’t New York either. It’s hard to know what someone means exactly when they trash New Haven as “janky,” but all I can say is that having lived in both places, to me the choice is obvious, and it’s New Haven. I would suggest that people visit and come to their own conclusions about which place they’d prefer to live, rather than relying on reputation alone.

  • Yale post-doc

    As I read this comment thread, and (especially) the one at the New York Times where this story ran originally, I just wondered why it is that white people are so obsessed with race. Why are white people so quick to assume that any time anyone with dark skin accomplishes anything, they didn’t deserve it or “earn it”? I hear this refrain so often from people who don’t know any of the relevant facts.

    It’s like Jacques Steinberg says here:

    http://thechoice.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/12/21/crouch-comments/

    “An overwhelming majority of comments were expressions of congratulations to the Crouch children, and their parents. I regret, though, that some of the comments were laced with a racially tinged meanness suggesting that the siblings had only been admitted en masse to Yale because of their skin color….”

    [I won't reproduce the quoted comment here, which was just one of many typical race-obsessed-white-person comments. He continues:]

    “As someone who has been writing about admissions for more than a decade — and who spent part of a year observing an admissions office down the road from Yale, at Wesleyan — I couldn’t decide whether to laugh or cringe at several commenters who tried to seize on parts of the siblings’ applications (including Martina Crouch’s class rank of 46, out of a class of 632) to argue that not all, if any, had merited admission. Others demanded that I release a complete record of the siblings’ SAT scores.

    Regular readers of this blog learned long ago that trying to out-think the admissions office of a highly selective college is a fool’s errand. There is no set formula for admission. And, I would argue, there is no fair (or fairer) way to assemble a freshman class. There are simply too many obviously qualified applicants, and too many metrics for what constitutes merit.”

  • Recent Alum

    #42, this was the most pathetic defense of Yale I have ever seen. I hope you are a Harvard troll. If your main reason for choosing Yale over Harvard is that you won’t have to deal with people who have been overachievers, “#1″ throughout their lives, well, you might as well go to Cornell or any of hundreds of other colleges.

  • @Recent Alum

    Ha! “Recent Alum,” calling someone ELSE a troll! That really brings a smile to my face. Very funny.

    Someday I’d love to find out whether our resident “Recent Alum,” probably the most prolific commenter on the YDN site, and certainly the most consistently and reliably wrong, ever graduated from (or even attended) Yale. I have my doubts…but I try to give him the benefit of the doubt.

  • Yalie

    I wonder if the “quads” themselves are reading this comment thread. I kind of hope not. If you are, please just realize that the people who write annoying comments on YDN articles are not generally representative of Yale. (In many cases have no actual connection to Yale at all.)

    Yale is a great school. Most people here love it. The best part about it is the other students, a very unusual & interesting group of people. I hope you four all take a serious look.

    If financial aid ends up looking a lot better elsewhere, you should bring that up w/the financial aid office at Yale before you decide you can’t afford it.

    Good luck with your decisions!

  • The Rev. Mr. Samuel T. Ross-Lee

    What I find interesting about the “race” comments, i.e. those claiming these kids were admitted to Yale because of their race, is that none of you had the integrity to identify yourself and print your comments using your names, choosing pseudonyms instead.

    Growing up in the South, I could appreciate the racist who was willing to stand by his/her racism as a matter of principle, if racism can ever be called principled. Those racist are much more preferable to these sneak attacks by so-called educated people at a liberal northeastern Ivy League university.

    If the Crouch kids do decide to attend Yale, I do pray that among the many wonderful things they learn is the ability to snuff out the hidden-racism of privileged liberals. Now THAT’S an education.

  • Harvard ’10

    These comments are ridiculously amusing, moreso than harvardfml.com itself. Some things I’d like to add to this discussion.

    Whoever wrote “some random public hs” — shame on you.

    To those complaining about how someone got into Yale with a lower than perfect class rank — no, the hours you spent memorizing the parts of a cell do not make you smart. You need a balance. And some are able to excel without needing the perfect GPA. Why such harsh judgements?

    To the one who turned down Harvard for Yale in both undergrad and grad school — I honestly feel a bit sorry for you. I’m sure you’ll do great in the future, but you missed out on a lot. And the statistic cited somewhere above — that 2/3 cross admits chose Harvard over Yale — is not the reason why people have historically chosen one school over another, but the result of students consistently choosing one school over another. That statistic has been relatively constant for over a century. Make what you wish of it. All I can tell you is, it’s not a coincidence.

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