ORAZEM: Rape is real at Yale

Julia Fisher ’13 (“Not a rape culture, just a PC one,” Sept. 22) wants us to know that there is no rape culture at Yale. She’s wrong. And the way I know she’s wrong is that, according to a commonly cited Justice Department statistic, 1 in 4 college women are raped during their years as students. That the numbers are horrifying is not a good enough reason to dismiss them. It is a reason to wake up to the fact that rape is an epidemic, and that it is supported by a culture that condones, hides and minimizes the violence suffered by its victims.

That culture exists here at Yale, too. I don’t understand why that needs to be said, but I will say it again, and I will continue saying it — at parties, in class and into my pillow — until people who claim that rape is a figment of our hysterical imaginations wake the hell up. Rape happens. Victims are silenced. And the complex web of factors that not only allow but encourage those two things to occur in tandem is rape culture.

I don’t know why Fisher is so convinced that rape is not “a common practice” at Yale; she cites no statistics to back up her assertions. But maybe it’s because of underreporting — the DOJ has found that less than 5 percent of incidents of rape and sexual assault are reported to law enforcement officials. That helps explain why Yale’s official numbers on rape are so low. Another explanation is that they lie about them. This June, the Department of Education cited Yale for failing to include some sexual assaults in its crime data as recently as 2004. While Yale has since strengthened its reporting procedures, such changes do nothing to acknowledge the experience of women who, cowed into silence by the perpetrator or fearful of social exclusion, never report their rape to University officials or police.

So I am confident that rape happens. Even Fisher is willing to acknowledge that there are “isolated incidents” of it here at Yale. But the real problem, according to her, is that acknowledging rape’s existence prevents people who perpetuate it with misogynistic views from expressing their opinions freely. She calls for a return to “civil conversation,” to a “reasonable discourse” in which rape apologism is treated like any other “divergent opinion.” I wonder: Should we do the same for other “controversial” views — scientific racism, Holocaust denials, advocacy for sterilization of the mentally ill? We constantly set parameters for our conversations based not necessarily on our own political alignment but on the much broader bounds of our modern ideological climate. While a Yale man in 1800 would likely have felt comfortable offering an erudite defense of American slavery, such an opinion would never be tolerated in the “open discussion” of today’s Yale that Fisher lauds so highly. Don’t believe me? Try speaking out against gay marriage in your LGBT history section. No, really, try it, and tell me when you’re doing it, so I can come watch.

While “political correctness,” and its sometimes laughable iterations, have always been a bugbear of the right, the fact is that every culture has its own taboos, its own dogma, its own concepts that have been deemed unspeakable. That Fisher and others don’t think ideas that promote sexual violence fit into that category is not a proof that rape really isn’t an issue on this campus. Rather, it is a measure of how much ground we have left to cover, and how untrue is Fisher’s statement that “as far as sexism goes, we’re doing pretty well.”

Ideas are not inert intellectual objects that we gather around to discuss in hushed tones; they have teeth and claws, they do real violence to real men and women. One such idea is the notion, perfectly exemplified by Fisher’s piece, that rape is neither common nor serious, that violence against women is merely one among many petty crimes committed by deviants. Sadly, that view is at stark odds with reality. Rape is an endemic symptom of a sexual culture that sees women as passive, resisting objects of male desire and that condones violent means to overcome female resistance. Rape happens, and happens so often, not because the rare man is a sociopath but because all straight men and women enter bedrooms with wildly different sexual strategies and methods of exercising power. That’s rape culture. And even Yale is not exceptional enough to escape it.

I challenge Fisher, and anyone who shares her view, to start a “reasonable discourse” with one of the dozen or so women I know who have been raped or assaulted. Don’t just talk at them; don’t just accuse them of “crying sexism,” or of falling victim to some terrible thing that doesn’t quite qualify as a “real act of rape.” Listen to them. Hear their stories, about pathetically lax disciplinary penalties for their rapists, social consequences for speaking out, and psychological damage for which they receive little support. Then say that it’s perfectly clear there’s no rape culture at Yale. Say it to their faces.

Kate Orazem is a senior in Jonathan Edwards College.

Comments

  • geezeebee

    Damn well said.

    • bcrosby

      Amen.

  • lolzipan

    Thank you, Katherine

    • roflairplane

      Thank you, lolzipan.

  • dolphinfetus

    “Don’t believe me? Try speaking out against gay marriage in your LGBT history section. No, really, try it, and tell me when you’re doing it, so I can come watch.”

    While I agree intellectual diversity and open-mindedness have their limits, repression of a belief ~50% of Americans hold is not something to be proud of. Indeed, it speaks to the complete and utter irrelevance of many of the discussions we have here at Yale, since so many of them are based off of arguments that are completely untenable in public discourse.

    I’ll remind you that Barack Obama, a president most Yalies voted for, and one many still wholeheartedly support, is against gay marriage.

    • River_Tam

      Yeah, but he’s like totally just saying that for political reasons. Right? Right? His viewpoint is exactly like mine – I mean, he’s just so cool. He plays basketball AND he smokes. I wish I was that cool.

      • silliwin01

        You just hate president Obama because he is black.

        • River_Tam

          Wait, he’s black?

        • roflairplane

          and destroyed our economy.

  • The Anti-Yale

    [http://www.evilbible.com/Rape.htm][1]

    RAPE IS ALSO REAL IN THE BIBLE.
    [1]: http://www.evilbible.com/Rape.htm

  • River_Tam

    Heather McDonald reveals how ridiculous the 1 in 4 claim is and why it doesn’t pass the common-sense test.

    > If the one-in-four statistic is correct—it is sometimes modified to “one-in-five to one-in-four”—campus rape represents a crime wave of unprecedented proportions. **No crime, much less one as serious as rape, has a victimization rate remotely approaching 20 or 25 percent, even over many years. The 2006 violent crime rate in Detroit, one of the most violent cities in America, was 2,400 murders, rapes, robberies, and aggravated assaults per 100,000 inhabitants—a rate of 2.4 percent. The one-in-four statistic would mean that every year, millions of young women graduate who have suffered the most terrifying assault, short of murder, that a woman can experience.** Such a crime wave would require nothing less than a state of emergency—Take Back the Night rallies and 24-hour hotlines would hardly be adequate to counter this tsunami of sexual violence. Admissions policies letting in tens of thousands of vicious criminals would require a complete revision, perhaps banning boys entirely. The nation’s nearly 10 million female undergrads would need to take the most stringent safety precautions. Certainly, they would have to alter their sexual behavior radically to avoid falling prey to the rape epidemic.

    > None of this crisis response occurs, of course—because the crisis doesn’t exist. During the 1980s, feminist researchers committed to the rape-culture theory had discovered that asking women directly if they had been raped yielded disappointing results—very few women said that they had been. So Ms. commissioned University of Arizona public health professor Mary Koss to develop a different way of measuring the prevalence of rape. **Rather than asking female students about rape per se, Koss asked them if they had experienced actions that she then classified as rape. Koss’s method produced the 25 percent rate, which Ms. then published.**

    > Koss’s study had serious flaws. Her survey instrument was highly ambiguous, as University of California at Berkeley social-welfare professor Neil Gilbert has pointed out. But the most powerful refutation of Koss’s research came from her own subjects: **73 percent of the women whom she characterized as rape victims said that they hadn’t been raped.** Further—though it is inconceivable that a raped woman would voluntarily have sex again with the fiend who attacked her—42 percent of Koss’s supposed victims had intercourse again with their alleged assailants.

    > **All subsequent feminist rape studies have resulted in this discrepancy between the researchers’ conclusions and the subjects’ own views. A survey of sorority girls at the University of Virginia found that only 23 percent of the subjects whom the survey characterized as rape victims felt that they had been raped—a result that the university’s director of Sexual and Domestic Violence Services calls “discouraging.”**

  • commentator

    Kate, it is extremely irresponsible of you to misrepresent the results of a statistical study in a text about something this sensitive. You write: “And the way I know she’s wrong is that, according to a commonly cited Justice Department statistic, 1 in 4 college women are raped during their years as students. That the numbers are horrifying is not a good enough reason to dismiss them.” Except that the commonly cited federal statistic says no such thing. It says that one in four (or, in a later study, one in five) college women report **being raped at some point during their lifetime**. This does not mean they have been raped in college. In fact, the 1998 CDC study which analyzes the same data reports that “71% of women who had forced sex were raped **before the age of 18**, and most of these experiences occurred during the teen years.” An additional “16% of women who had experienced forced sex had their first such experience at age 12 or younger.” This means that 87% of college women who report being raped had experienced rape before the age of 18. Furthermore, the wast majority of those raped (77%) report that their first and last forcible sex experience at the same age as the first one. Bottom line: while 1 in 4 to 5 college women have been raped at some point in their lives, **the wast majority of rapes occurred before the women reached college age** As the 1998 study (Brener et al) concludes: “The fact that 1 in 5 college women have experienced forced sexual intercourse in their lifetime suggests that increased prevention efforts are necessary. Because most rapes occur before age 18, these efforts must reach adolescents before they enter college.” Finally, this one and similar studies rely on the “nationally representative sample of college women.” Yale College population is decisively NOT “nationally representative,” and there are very good reasons to assume that this fact does effect rape statistics. In any case, **existing studies do not not support (not by a long shot) the claim that one in four women is raped during her college years.**
    No one should be happy with these statistics, though, as they indicate a high prevalence of rape among teenagers. Any way you put it, these are grim numbers. However, they do completely destroy the main claim of your letter. When you write an emotional and inflammatory letter basing your claims on numbers you should at least have your numbers straight. As a Yale student you should know better. You cannot just perpetuate the myth of the “commonly cited statistic” — you need to look at the facts.

  • River_Tam

    If 1 in 4 women is raped at Yale, and 1 in 4 men at Yale is gay (and they presumably do not rape women), that means that if each rapist rapes only one woman, then 1 in 3 heterosexual men at Yale has committed 1 rape each. But no – that can’t be right — let’s say that there are only a few bad apples, and that every rapist has actually raped 4 separate women. Now only 1 in 12 heterosexual men has raped a woman at Yale.

    Gee, how should we separate Yalies into 12 parts? Let’s say they’re all in Branford College. Now, every straight man in Branford College has raped 4 women. This seems even more unlikely.

    Are you starting to see how ridiculous this is? The claim that 1 in 4 women has been raped at Yale indicates that either every third heterosexual man is a rapist, that we have a residential college’s worth of serial rapists, or some combination of the two.

    But no – you protest – the stat applies only nationally – it’s lower at Yale and higher at stupider schools that don’t have our reputation for intellectual refinement (cf: Naked Parties, Porn Screenings, Giant Penises at The Game). Now for every school you claim has a less than 1 in 4 rape rate for women, you’re claiming a school with a higher rate – a school where either every other guy is a rapist or there are hundreds of serial rapists running around on the loose.

    As a woman, the claim (unsupported by actual statistical studies) that 1 in 4 women is raped during college strikes me as nothing more than sexual slander against heterosexual men.

    • CrazyBus

      I type my comment for 25 minutes, and then miss a whole slew of others. +1 to you. Also, I think I saw some stat somewhere about 30% of Yale men leaving college virgins (at the very least not every Yale man has had sex at Yale). So it might actually be more like two residential colleges worth of rapists.

    • fools2234

      Well what do you expect, feminists LOVE misandry.

  • CrazyBus

    I agree that rape is a serious issue, and should not simply be dismissed. However, there are some things I’d like to point out about rape and sexual assault, especially at Yale and other college campuses.

    Firstly, the one in four college woman statistic is self-reported since the age of fourteen, which means, at least in regards to this article, it is inaccurate. One, because of the 3-4 years between the lower age range and the age of entrance into Yale, and second, self reports can be misleading (I will discuss more below.) Source: http://www.oneinfourusa.org/statistics.php (Second bullet of the section “How Often Does Rape Happen to Women?)

    The other problem is self-reporting. Ms. Carlisle also wrote a piece (http://www.yaledailynews.com/news/2011/sep/23/carlisle-rape-without-rapists/) addressing the same issue, and talked about the dichotomy of the definition of “rapist”. To summarize, rapist is defined as “one who commits rape” but is often connoted as “a dark hooded stranger jumping out of alleys.” I won’t use any absolutes, but on a college campus, especially one like Yale’s, it is very very very unlikely that a rapist is the hooded stranger. It is nearly always what we know as “acquaintance rape” committed by someone a person knows, either for a long time or superficially recently met at a party or something.

    Again, in Ms. Carlisle’s article, she gives the example of a woman too drunk to give consent, and a man who did not know better. Indeed, by definition this is rape. However, waking up the next day and regretting your own actions from the night before is a highly preventable outcome, and is better addressed, I believe, by targeting the root cause, namely irresponsible partying behavior.

    I’m not saying it was entirely the hypothetical woman’s fault for being a participant in non-consensual sex. But she is not entirely absolved of fault, either. When I party hard, I know there are risks that come with it–I may lose my credit card, I may sustain an injury, or I may end up doing other regrettable things. However, knowing that, if I still decide to behave (and drink) in such a way, I would accept that any regrettable act was really my own fault because I did not have to party to such excess.

    It’s true that the desire to party hard does not mean that a person wants to end the night with a hookup. However, if someone were to frolick to the point of inability to NOT LEAVE THE PARTY WITH SOMEONE THEY DID NOT WANT TO HAVE SEX WITH, and to the point of inability to NOT GO TO A LOCATION THEREAFTER CONDUCIVE TO SEXUAL ENCOUNTERS, that is a fundamental error of judgment back at the poor decisions leading up to that encounter (probably overdrinking.)

    (Continued in a reply to self, this post is evidently too long)

    • CrazyBus

      Are theses instances of rape? Undoubtedly–rape is defined as non-consexual sex. Are there sexual assaults that happen in a similar vein? Yes. Should men know better than to have sex with a drunk woman, and be thus educated? Yes, and at Yale, there are MANY orientations where that education happens.

      But, don’t you think that if a woman were in full or at least reasonable possession of her good judgment, acquaintance rape would be far more *preventable*? Even if acquaintance rape were not at all (that is to say zero) the fault of the woman, she still has the most power to prevent it by walking away when she deems a situation undesirable.

      Please don’t just hurl accusations of victim blaming on me, I’m talking about the most effective method of rape prevention as opposed to assignation of blame.

      • fools2234

        And tell me what if the man is also drunk, which is the case in a lot of these “rape” cases. Is he also the victim or do we discriminate against him and make him responsible for both of their actions?

      • SY

        Of course, women could prevent almost all alleged acquaintance rape by not getting themselves drunk alone and then going to men’s bedrooms. You miss, as I did, that old time feminists do not want women to prevent rape. First, that would place some responsibility on women. Femininsts want rape responsiblity placed on men, federal agencies, colleges, and the courts. After Yale, women have to take responsibility for their drunk decisions, but not yet. Second, you are trying to be helpful and rational. You must be assuming that femininsts do not want sexual misconduct and sorrow. What would they do without it? Complain that 57% of college grads are women?

  • LtwLimulus90

    Another example of mischaracterization and word-bending from Yale’s militant feminist population. At no point does Fisher say “that rape is neither common nor serious, that violence against women is merely one among many petty crimes committed by deviants”. In fact, she says the opposite at least once in her Op-ed. This is only one example of many in which the author blatantly misreads Miss Fisher’s argument. It’s so disappointing to see Yale’s feminists delegitimize themselves by accusing people of arguing things they did not and deliberately making caricatures of their opponents in bouts of flagrant disregard for intellectual honesty. Shame on you, Miss Orazem

  • The Anti-Yale

    Peter Paul Rubens creating a culture of Rape at Yale (Rape of the Daughters of Leucippus)

  • Qanan

    Wow, really? 1 in 4. 11.4 million are college students each year, so what you are saying is that 2.75 million women a year are raped in colleges alone? WTF is wrong with you using bad data like this? It cheapens real victims of real rape. Don’t you even read what you are even writing? You are in Yale for God’s sakes, stop using such horrible data stats like this.

  • PierceHarlan

    Using an inflated 90 percent underreporting figure (RAINN says the actual number is 60 percent, and even that is a guess), a writer demonstrated how the one-in-four stat is simply not accurate — it’s not even in the right universe: http://communityvoices.sites.post-gazette.com/index.php/opinion/the-radical-middle/27667–one-in-one-thousand-eight-hundred-seventy-seven

  • PublicWeil

    As an alumnus, it is a shame to see this back-and-forth on an issue that should unite the entire Yale community of current and former students. Sexual violence is wrong, and coercive sexual behavior is wrong–even if it is not physically violent. Defining “rape” as in the most extreme terms that can be applied to it is no better than using the term loosely for ambiguous situations: the former calls to mind pre-Women’s Liberation bigotry that assumed any woman engaging in extra-marital sex, consensual or not, is “ruined,” and the latter confuses the debate somewhat by failing to clearly define terms, and leaves a door open for doubters to dismiss legitimate instances coercive sex as mere “he-said, she-said” whining. I don’t pretend to know what the campus is like now, but as a relatively recent graduate I would not be surprised if it is still as I remember it: a place where unwanted sexual attention was difficult for women to deflect, whether at the proverbial Toad’s or at parties; where those women who did stand up for themselves were branded as bitches; and those who didn’t were sluts. The presence of a culture of male entitlement to women’s bodies was real, as I imagine it still is; as was the impunity of those men and the intimidation of the women they victimized. The fundamental necessity in the face of this vein of corruption must be personal responsibility, both to avoid these situations in the first place and in shouldering the burden of unseating this corrupt incumbent order. But we all owe it to ourselves to acknowledge the problem and make it clear that we refuse to tolerate people who violate the bodies and the trust of their fellow students. -DW, BK07

    • roflairplane

      What does employing the actual, dictionary definition of “rape,” instead of the author’s definition as ‘hooking up with someone and then regretting it later,’ have to do with “assuming any woman engaging in extra-marital sex, consensual or not, is ‘ruined’”? Also, what about Toad’s is proverbial?

  • fools2234

    The 1-4 figure cited here is nothing but an extremely bias SELF SELECTION survey. Now I am sure to feminists like the one that typed this article that doesnt matter, but to all of the sensible people who havent taken and been brainwashed by a womens studies class look at this link:

    http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/2011/04/one-of-our-readers-destroys-study-that.html

    Yup this is how feminists rally people to their cause, that is by using inflated statistics to paint all men as rapists and women as the poor oppressed victims.

    Here is the actual number of rape victims.

    http://communityvoices.sites.post-gazette.com/index.php/opinion/the-radical-middle/27667–one-in-one-thousand-eight-hundred-seventy-seven

    In my opinion no feminist should ever be allowed to commission any type of study because from what I have read, misandric feminists will do anything they need to to get the conclusion they want. Christina hoff Sommers documents the many feminist lies in her two excellent books “Who Stole Feminism” and “The War Against Boys”.

    Here is another link though to “Feminist facts”, and so here we have a list of the 7 most egregious practices in feminist DV research.

    Method 1. Suppress Evidence

    Method 2. Avoid Obtaining Or Analyzing Data On Female Perpetration

    Method 3. Cite Only Studies That Show Male Perpetration

    Method 4. Conclude That Results Refute Symmetry When They Do Not

    Method 5. Create “Evidence” By Citation (The AAUW feminist org used this one a lot to “prove” how bad girls had it in school, as documented in Christina Hoff Sommers book “Who Stole Feminism”)

    Method 6. Obstruct Funding of Research That Might Contradict the Idea that Male Dominance Is The Cause of PV

    Method 7. Harass, Threaten, And Penalize Researchers Who Produce Evidence That Contradicts Feminist Beliefs

    http://pubpages.unh.edu/~mas2/V70%20version%20N3.pdf

  • nick

    Can we get over the “1 in 4″ statistic? There was an entirely well-reasoned and -written response to Fischer’s ridiculous “Not a rape culture” that everyone seems to be ignoring. Regardless of the statistic’s reliability, no one can argue that women *never* get raped at Yale.

    Bravo, Orazem.

    • Qanan

      “Can we get over the “1 in 4″ statistic? There was an entirely well-reasoned and -written response to Fischer’s ridiculous “Not a rape culture” that everyone seems to be ignoring.”

      No! She is suggesting that over 2.75 million female college students a year are raped. These are the kind of numbers one sees int he worst war torn areas in the world. Facts need to be addressed in a manner that is consistant with understanding the root of the problem, which needs to be based in truth, and not in some wonderland of statistics. It is contributing the demonization of men, because people really believe lies like this author is peddling, that 2.75 million female college students are raped a year.

  • PierceHarlan

    PublicWeil’s argument about “coercive” sex is startling. See here: http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/2011/09/college-campuses-expand-definitions-of.html

  • PierceHarlan

    You are correct in one respect, Nick. Rape needs to be addressed in a serious, adult manner. Even one rape is one rape too many.

    But to have an adult discussion about an important topic, the contours of that discussion can’t be established by a paid sexual grievance industry or by persons who rely on advocacy research. An adult discussion about the problem must start with the unvarnished truth. People who rely on manufactured statistics or self-selecting surveys designed by financially interesed persons to reach a particular result have proven themselves unfit to be part of that discussion.

    Balancing the interests of (1) eradicating rape and punishing rapists and (2) insuring that the innocent are not punished with the guilty, is exceedingly difficult under the best of circumstances, and it most assuredly can’t be accomplished when people insist on politicizing the issue with absurd premises, e.g., by insisting that rape is “normalized” among males in general. The entire “rape culture” argument, which only finds wide currency on college campuses and in one dark corner of the blogosphere, is so sweeping, so breathtakingly unnuanced, that it is as absurd as it is insulting to most thinking people.

  • ldffly

    After reading the multitude of posts that quoted the 1 in 4 stat without scepticism and found the critique of that stat to be without point, does anyone need anymore evidence to justify the belief that many Yale undergraduates are near mathematical illiterates?

  • avoiceformen

    Wow, I think what I need to do, as an online activist very much concerned with rape, is develop a list of the campuses in the western world where women are most likely to get raped because of this savage epidemic. Seriously, with all this raping going on, why isn’t there a public outcry warning parents to not send their daughters to the most offending schools?

    I know if there were a 1 in 4 chance that my daughter would be raped by attending Yale, then I would certainly not send her into that environment.

    You know, I think I will actually do this. There has to be an effort to inform the public of schools like Yale that are hotbeds of rape activity; where rape is actually part of the culture! It’s time we quit talking, people, and took action. http://wp.me/P1Ku6V-2Gx

    • jnewsham

      Please stop spamming our site with links to the main page of yours.

    • River_Tam

      Go away.

  • dolphinfetus

    Kate, honest question, is this the Justice Department study you are talking about?
    ([https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/182369.pdf])
    Because this study says 1.7% of college women have been raped.

    If this isn’t the right study, can you point me in the right direction? It seems the Justice Department disagrees with the 1 in 4 statistic.

    • ethanjrt

      Go back and re-read the study. Or at least skim it at a more reasonable speed. That goes for Kate too, though – because even if you accept the study’s questionable method of extrapolation, you’re going to get a figure of about “1 in 7″ for 5 years of college, or “1 in 9″ for 4 years. Which is still disturbing and, I think, unrealistically high – but I think it might be a good start if we can all at least agree on what the paper /claims/.

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