No case against Clark’s fiancée, lawyer says

Merkin tryin’ to, uh, “cover up” that [expletive]? Actin’ as a beard, mebbe?

Why the hell did you print her picture then? The editorial board of 2011 has reached a new level of idiocy.

Why would Diane Sawyer send flowers to Raymond Clark’s mother???

Sawyer sent the flowers to Clark’s attorney, in hopes of interviewing her… still odd.

#6 – did you read the info in the police affidavit? Sounds like pretty compelling evidence to me.

I was trying to be understanding that Yale let his family return to work, but this story gets more disturbing all the time. The week Jennifer returned to work I saw her walking through my workplace laughing loudly without a care in the world. Around a similar time I would see a person close to Annie sitting in a daze looking like she might burst into tears. For the sake of Annie’s friends and colleagues, I wish Yale would move Ray’s family members further away from the medical campus.

The police had a very nervous norton on their hands with this Clark. But i was shaken up and i never stepped foot in Amistad or Sterling….I believe everyone was disturbed and upset. I would hate to make any statements that might lean the case to disallowing evidence, move or sway public opinion, when the evidence appears to be damning.
There is still a chance someone else killed this girl – or was involved in the murder with this Clark kid. Someone elses DNA was found.
Just how much of the mentioned blood belongs to the victim ? Where exactly was the victims DNA found ? In all of the confusion as to the mega blood splatterings – Whose is on first ?

To #10 by confused . – Have you ever seen the victim and Clark together ? Outside of work ? Did you ever see her exit a strange vehicle, or this co-workers vehicle ? Accept a ride from that posse ?
You don’t have to answer to us, maybe just the investigators or prosecutors office.
Any out of line comments around the Amistad workplace from lets’ say Union stewards or officials ?
Any hokey tales about little rich kids and their dreams , hopes or shenanagins about anything from Real Estate glory to modern marvels ???

To #10 and #11, I am not surprised at all by your account of the conduct of the individual concerned. Here we are used to villians’ families shouting, laughing, strutting about, and acting with total contempt for the victims and their families. Look up the Stephen Lawrence case in the UK. Not an ounce of remorse from the suspects and their relatives; while the memorial sites of murdered teenager are defiled regularly in the past fourteen years.

Clark worked with his three of his inner circle for almost five years. He was said to be a control freak, prone to angry mood swings, and a bully; but there was no evidence of his fmaily’s efforts to temper his disturbing conduct. This is doubly inexcusable because his sister knew about his violect sexual and behavioral history.

The Vice-President of Human Resource, Michael Peel, saw fit to issue a public statement to welcome the Clark’s relatives back to work, wagging his finger to say he would be “deeply disappointed” if staff and students “acted any differently,” For all I know, those people left work of their own accord for about two months. They had not been exiled to Siberia for thirty years by some persecutiing mob. And Yalies are highly unlikely to attack them, are they? That was the most offensive, insensitive, and arrogant piece of grandstanding by somebody in such a high position; and I cannot tell how “disappointed” I am at his department for indulging in nepotism, lack of complaint procedures and staff monitoring. Diance Sawyer sending flowers to Clark’s mother? She is at least media folk (and you know what their morals are like) and totally unconnected with Yale. From the start of this case, everybody, including Yale President Rick Levin, Police spokesmen Avery and James had been disrespectful and self-serving. This is a very poor show for Yale authorities. I agree that students should put up some kind of petition to investigage the Human Resource Department and stop the Clarks working there, not the least for the feelings of Annie’s friends and family.

If #10/11 is legit, that is horrifying. I work a block away and I thought I saw her a few weeks ago.
I thought she worked in the same department as Clark ei she is working in the very area where Le was killed. I bet the sister/brother in law still work there too and I bet they have authority there. My theory has been that everyone at the YARC thought Clark was a jerk but no one said anything because his family was part of the management. If I had a nickel for every abusive employee I’ve met who was related to management….

She should be let go. It is so disrespectful to Le’s memory and to the staff to keep her there. It shows you how coveted a Yale job can be and the sorry state of the economy. If she had any sense she would change her name and move to California. The paparazzi are bothering Le’s fiance, and meanwhile this chick-an accessory to murder- is still working there and not being photographed.

There was blood on their kitchen floor DAYS LATER??? That is disturbing and she is a horrendous person if its true. I don’t care if she was dating that monster. Another example of how brazen this killer was and supports my theory that he thought he could do whatever he wanted because he had power in that lab. Can’t believe Yalies are putting up with this.

I believe any company can fire anybody at any time. Union or no. Municipalities have a harder time as it is basically owned by the taxpayers and voters. ( which leads to the issue of the employ doing what they wilt to whomever they please,as u can’t get rid of them..) Now where was i ? Oh , the monetary concern due to unemployment compensation comes to mind.
This bloody homestead makes me think about just what these applicants state to Human Services or better yet – to the union hall at Phellps, as Human Services just stamps the nepotised application ..
Maybe a “we fish and hunt a lot, Dear Raymond here is used to disemboweling little animals and has been rehearsing”
were spoiled rich kids and will invest in elected officials”
“Matter of fact were still playing cut the critter at home”…

What is the name of the lawyer that barks commands to co-workers, press,and police departments ?

To #20 , if the girlfriend knew anything i think she can be charged as an accessery. She may not have been directly involved but may be just the same. how many times has this girl been in that Amistad building although she did not physically work in there ? Of course she would be visiting her relatives, keeping an eye on hires as that is a union privelege.

That sad,fatalistic feeling is exactly what the girlfriend would want. It will benifit the killer(s) if evreryone else went away.
“we are Union and from here, they are only visiting”..

I do hope that the actions and doings of human Services is looked into. I have e-mailed Yale before about even stranger goings on at that Phellps Gate on College street .( watching problematic City of New Haven employs enter, ones who are constantly written up, enter and literally watch two young woman storm out and scour the upper green and proceed to stand at Elm & College, with a vicious attitude!?!

I am deeply touched by the support coming forth for Annie and her family and to “Still so Sad #20,” I cannot even begin to imagine the trauma and hurt of being forced to be reminded of the tragic death of your dear friend every time when you see one of the Clark cabal. Never, ever, in a miillion years did I even thought that the family would return to the Yale campus to work. As I said before, basic human decency would rule that out. If it were for me, I could not do it even if it were an incidence like a traffic accident on campus. Michael Peel totally refused to address the issue of the Clarks working together, thus allowing the alleged killer acting like a tyrant in the lab. He certainly did not know whether the Clarks were “mere bystanders” as he said. You are absolutely correct in saying what right did Peel has to tell Yalies how to feel towards them. I know that a petition from the students would be disloge them with union and employment law protection. But it is still a potent and legitimate way for you and others and vent your grievances and maybe shame them into leaving (not that they seem to have any shame as far as I can see.) Only time will tell how much this female knew about the crime. People say she is laughing with not a care in the world. That does not strike me as being a very caring person. May God bless you and help you through the loss of Annie.

@joey a h

“I believe any company can fire anybody at any time. Union or no.”

Wow, you haven’t spent much time around Yale.

I extend my heartfelt sympathies to all who have been affected by Annie’s death, and in particular to those who knew her personally. I do not know the extent to which Clark was an overbearing employee, or the extent to which his fiance has been joking and carrying on in a carefree manner, but he has not yet been proven guilty. In fact, the YDN article stated that court will be held on December 21 to determine if there is even enough evidence to proceed against him. I have read elsewhere that police have not yet been able to construct a convincing narrative of why he committed the crime. It seems unfair to judge a woman who might be guilty of collaborating with the man who might have killed Annie. It seems that they all know more than we do, but this case also seems to raise more questions than it answers. We all want the perpetrator to be caught and punished. For now, let’s hope the prosecutors construct a convincing case against the guilty party and get him or her convicted.

#20 Grieving over the loss of a friend or loveone can be a long process. It takes time. Remember that you are not alone concerning your loss.

There are still many unanswered questions in this horrific situation.

The only thing that all of us know for certain is that Annie Le is deceased. Aside from this one, looming and tragic fact, much else is speculation and inference. The only additional “fact” that we have at our disposal is the recently released police report/affidavit/document which states that the suspect, Raymond Clark, stopped briefly at one location before meeting with Jennifer and an unidentified woman at 4pm, on the day that Annie Le “went missing” (we now know that she did not “go missing”, but was murdered), and that he entered a car with the women and presumably drove home. Admittedly, the timeline for RClark’s connecting with and subsequently driving away with Jennifer and the unID’d woman does seem suspicious. After (allegedly) committing murder, wouldn’t it seem natural for him to either still be bloodied to some degree (hence the blood evidence found in the car); or for him to be somehow emotionally unsettled/unnerved? Wouldn’t his two female companions have noticed it? Perhaps, but then again, perhaps not? He may have settled into his seat in the car and discussed the weather or the latest celbrity gossip for all we know, with no mention whatsoever of “you’ll never believe what happened to me at work today”. So maybe the two women didn’t notice anything unusual about Clark that day. Maybe…

Unfortunately, at the risk of stating the obvious, there’s a lot that we just don’t know.

I pray, for the sake of a beautiful young woman named Annie Le (whom I’ve never known or met), that time and diligent,competent police investigation will fill in the missing pieces, and that any and all who are compliicit in this tragedy will be brought to justice.

To Helen’s #30 comment – thanks for correcting my typo. I meant to say “prosecutors,” as I did in the final sentence of my posting.

They went over the building with a comb.
More like a dogs brush ,but a comb nonetheless. Probably a good job. Now it’s a process of elimination and piecing things together. there is a very good chance someone else is involved. Hopefully the police and investigators will get to the truth and bottom of this.
And obtain a conviction.
I recall two co-workers/students who stated the victim was seeing or was seen with a blond haired yale/new haven police officer.
I wonder if he knows anything ? And has he come forward at all ?
I wonder who these heartbroken and distraught students can turn to with any important info ?
the defense ? and then watch them use it to exonerate the accused ? Then throw it in the garbage and deny it ever was heard or existed ?
The prosecution ?
p.s. – Is Mrs. Lorimer related to Chief Perrelli ? they look a bit alike.

Alum#34, thank you so much for another attempt to stifle any discussion. You did not offer any constructive advice of your own other than to keep repeating that certain parties were “put on trial,” “is innocent till proven guilty,” like a broken record, For your information, I was born in Hong Kong, had lived the in the US, and now settled in Great Britain. I had studied the Adminstration of Justice, and had worked in law enforcement. So please don’t try to lecture us in your juvenile way again. I would be very distressed if a Yale Alum really has low diligence, so I doubt your real identity.

If you have troubled yourself to learn the genesis of my anger about the relatives returning,you would find that I have a reason to speak out. Please refer to all my postings here under: “Clark’s relatives return to work,” “Service in honor of Annie Le Grd 13″ and this article. There is guilt in the court of law, and there is the court of public opinion. Unless there is an injunction that ban all press comments from the judiciary, we are all free to voice our legitimate concerns. The Clarks have worked closely with the suspect in the same building for almost five years, and the suspect probably got his job due to his sister who knew all about his violent sexual and behavioral past. Something so horrible had happened; and a precious gem of a girl had been killed and her body disrespected. Anybody who has an ounce of shame and decency would refrain from returning to Yale so as not to further add to the sorrowand grief of Annie’s family and friends. If you do not know the difference of shame and guilt in the strictly legal sense, I am sorry for you. I give you one example. A right wing newspaper, the Daily Mail, was so incenced by the three suspected murderers who got away scot three after killing a black teenager that the paper called them KILLERS on its front page. And the Daily Mail thunders AGAINST immigrants etc every other day!!! You see, when something is just so wrong, so offends our sense of common decency, we have to speak out. I have every right to shame those parties into looking into their own conscience. There are Yalies right here who revealed that the sight of them was unbearable. I will shame my own fresh and blood and myself in similar situations.

Photos of Hrodmadka were all over the internet during the criminal investigation. Posting her photo in this article is not tasteless or an infringement of her privacy since her photos were already publicly available.

It’s called labor law. Look into it.
Internet=Serious Business

To Helen Li: I haven’t heard anything in the media about Raymond Clark and Annie having any issues with each other. If Annie was feeling the heat from an animal tech, she definitely would have said something to a friend, colleague, anyone. We heard of maybe one or two people who had personal issues with Clark, referring to him as some kind of control freak. Yet, his employer felt he was an exemplary employee, at least enough to keep him on the payroll for so many years. So this guy goes from maybe being a ‘control freak’, and no history of violent confrontations at work, to being a killer? And how did he carry out the murder, hiding the body in whatever rooms the warrant said they found evidence, then concealing it in a locker room, without being seen? He was able to do that with such stealth, and yet he left evidence connecting him to the crime everywhere, including tossing his pen and a sock (his sock) into the chase along with the victim?
The warrants were quite clear when they identified Clark’s DNA on the sock (along with Annie’s), and yet the lab coat, scrubs or the glove were not identified as having his DNA? Just an unknown male was identified on the XL sized lab coat.
The green pen appears to have gone missing around the time of the fire alarm (do you know when it happened? The warrant says almost 2pm, but the news media reported it as quarter to 1pm within days of Annie’s disappearance). Someone else could have snatched it if Ray left it lying around, and put it in the chase with the body. Not a hard thing to do.

I had to log off before finishing my last post to “Observer.” You have to remember that in a court of law, there is no need for the prosecution to divine how a “nice guy” like the suspect suddenly morphed into an alleged killer. Anyway, this “Ray Ray” had used sexual violence on his former girlfriend while still in high school; and the police had to be called to protect her. A lot of murderers are first time killers and outwardly “model citizens” too. I don’t know what triggered Clark on that particular day to do what he was accused of. I have read that bullies are often angered by fiesty individuals; and Annie, though very kind and generous by nature, was said, in the words of her beloved brother Christopher, “she be fierce.” Maybe she took a principled stand against the accused’s nagging and whineging, and Clark just lashed out. The sight of a person of Vietnamese origin and of the same age being so accomplished and with a glorious future could have added to the resentment and jealousy. And she was four feet eleven inches and ninety pounds, an easy target. I have many unwholesome feelings myself. What kept me in check is a good decent and accomplished family; education; travel that broadens the mind; relentless self-control and practice of empathy, tolerance, compassion as much as I can. All that and more, and by the grace of God, I had become a better person since my youth. That is why upbringing and education is so important.
I had already told you he knew the building well. The prosecution would have to lay out a case that the accused killed and intended to kill the victim. Most people see a strong case with ample evidences, but you persist in saying, “it can’t be done!!,” “he does not act like a killer!!” Well, somebody did it, and that person was that agile; and he overcame all the logistical obstacles, because Annie was killed and her body hidden in a crawl space. That person must be even smarter than Clark because he managed to put Clark’s DNA on Annie’s sock in the chase, located the green pen with Clark’s DNA and snatched it “during the fire alarm (boy, did he trigger the alarm or was he super improvisortory?) And that person managed not to be in the same room with Annie at the same time as the unfortuate Clark. Now, how did he do it? With respect, the Human Resource Department seems to hire on the basis of bloodlines rather than merits or intelligence. And devlish cunning and subtlefuge seen in villains in Columbo could be in short supply at 10 Amistad. I don’t know why you are doing this other than to sow confusion. You are not the killer and you don’t know his mind or his capability. If you are so convinced that Clark was not the man, you are better off sending him some flowers in the grand tradition of Diane Sawyer.

Agreed, Helen–whether it was Clark or someone else, I just can’t wrap my head around someone killing such a defenseless-looking person in such a visceral, hands-on way (no pun intended). And it wasn’t even in some kind of high-stress, violent environment like a battlefield or something… seriously, what on earth?? The man must be seriously mentally disturbed…

To Helen Li: RE the card scanning. Clark’s increase of use may not have been unusual. They compared his use to the summer weeks earlier. They didn’t compare it in the warrant to his use the next days, or another beginning of semester period earlier in the year. He could have been busier that first week than during the summer weeks. Also, they don’t say if he also scanned into the other rooms he was monitoring with the same great frequency.
Scanning a card will indicate a time when a user scanned in. But it doesn’t say when someone left, nor does it account for people who enter rooms when others have scanned them in. And cards can be used by other people. So, my point is that scan card evidence does not prove someone was a murderer, unless you can establish the victim’s time of death as being around the time the card was used by the alleged killer; that no one else was scanned into the room at the same time; and that the card was actually used by the person it belongs to.

After looking at this message board, I wondered who is Helen Li. She seems to have more time than anyone and posts recklessly. So, I first searched the Yale directory and found no ‘Helen Li’ at Yale. I then did a google search and noted that Helen Li is commenting on this case on different message boards for different news outlets across the country.

Ms. Li, you must get over this and devote your life to a nobler cause. This case is horrific and has rattled our community here in New Haven. Justice is being served and the right steps are being taken to begin the healing process.

In life, you can sit at your computer screen and relentlessly post on message boards about a three month old murder, or you can go outside and make a difference. I have chosen the latter.

It is too bad for all of us that you have chosen the former.

I must be doing something right, folks took the trouble to “google” me; and tried to start a campaign to stop me. That is the closest to fame I could ever hope to get! Thanks guys, hugs. I just love the US of A and her tradition of free speech, don’t you?
For an “Observer,” you are not so good at observing, I have been patient repling to you on various issue from Clark’s “normal” behavior, his “non-problematic” work record, his “relation” with Annie, his bail condition etc. etc. I have already told you that Clark was the only one to enter G22 on Sept. 8. He was the only one who followed Annie into G13 during the relevant time-frame. When you work in a building for almost 5 years, you know when a room would be occupied. Clark was in and out of different rooms 55 times on Sept.8; 11 times into G22 (normal 3 times,) 4 times into G22 (normal 1 time; he was the ONLY one in G22 on that day.) Boy, he must have ran into the “real” killer at some point. Annie’s body was discovered by the police, and Clark’s DNA was on her body and clothing and her sock and the green pen underneath. Are you suggesting the police planted Clark’s DNA there or the police purposely compared Clark’s hyperactivity to a “slow” period? If so, you should go straight to Chief Lewis. I have no issue with their integrity. I don’t know whether keeping a supply of replacement pen has anything to do with “control freakery.” As mentioned before, Clark probably made any number of mistakes. You are entitled to your opinion vis-a-vis the fishing rod etc. If you study crime like I do, you would know that killers often like to keep “trophies” of their crime. They often think they are so clever that the police would never suspect them. He could have taken them and/or disposed of them after a while. Fact is, Annie’s mule shoes and leather computation notebook are still missing. Clark met up with Hromadka at 4 p.m.; was it to dispose of his clothes and/or Annie’s things? He left with different clothes on Sept 8 and those worn upon entry never found. Clark had to go out during the fire alarm (triggerd by an electrical fault.) If the firemen arrived, to be found as the only intrepid soul holding fort would not look very good, would it? Same for the “real” killer. Somebody who had just murdered in a lab could not be so foolhardy as to start something so noisy and disruptive. What happened if that “cover” was blown while firemen rushed in? How on earth could Annie “return” to G22 without scanning? Remeber, Ian Huntley also volunteered to the police that he saw the two murdered girls. So Clark telling porkies to the policewoman could be one of the diversionary and covering-up tactics he was using. You have probably never been to univiersity if you make such big play of an absence from a lecture. Observer, I am trying to convince myself that you are being facetious and/or disrespectful to the memory of Annie because nobody could be so dim on this planet. If so, you are a truly wicked person.

Thanks Woody Moe, you have now at least raised some points in objecting to my speaking out, unlike before. Are Shremp and Larry still in your “class action” group? Firstly, if you have really been researching about me, if would know that I have concrete and legitimate concerns like nepotism at Yale (read suport of Yale employee for me on this in #35 “Clark’s Relatives Return to Work,” Michale Peel’s disrespect of Annie’s memory and refusal to address the above issue which contributed to Annie’s death. Secondly, most of my post were a result of outrageous comments by others who seeked to belittle the case, sow confusion and maybe motivated by racism. Annie’s family are overwhelmed with grief at the moment and her brother, though a Davis student in California, is only 20 years old. I have given my email address to YDN, unless Annie’s family told me otherwise, I done nothing but fought for her, reminding people of her wonderful qualities, and I love the kid as much as my own nieces. So your empty phrases of “grace,” and “magnanimity” sound much more like callousness, voluntary amnesia, cold racism to me. If you mistook real feeling and profound compassion for lack of “self-awareness,” it speaks volume for what kind of person you are.
The details in the warrant are released upon judicial decision, anybody can comment on them. Please don’t insult people’s intelligence by telling that they don’t “make” the case. Some of them would not even be admissable. And trials could go terribly wrong (look at the Domminique Dunne case.) Please don’t ask hypothetical questions. Are you going to “harangue” me for future “misconduct? Not very “graceful,” are you? I have already told of the Daily Mail story. Sometimes, the sense for justice is so strong that people will never stop. Look at the Martha Mosley case.
I trust the editor of the YDN to be the fianl abiter and you are free to pressure hime or do whatever you want. But if you attack me personally without just cause, I will be forced to return the compliment. That is right, I will be here.

I was harangued about what I would do if the suspect were set free. Nobody needs to be worried because I am certainly not going to kill people. But the party seems to have no qualm about monsters walking free on our streets, free to kill another Asian or other female. I first read Domminick Dunne’s account of his daughter’s murder some years ago. The book remained on the shelf, but I could not bear to read it again. After Annie died, I wanted to know what superhuman fortitude this father had in order to learn how to cope with such a tragedy. I had to steel myself for several days until enough courage was summoned. Mr. Dunne’s work was read worldwide; he made sure the world knew about the evil person and his violence to women. After two years in prison, the killer was free; a woman engaged to him read the Dunne account and it probably saved her life. I suppose that would meet with displeasure from some snide, vicious, insulting,hypocritical, arrogant, ignorant “paragon of virtue, grace and magnanimity” who had “taught and worked in jounalism for thirty years.” I don’t suppose he had even a college education judging by his poverty of language and lack of knowledge. Things are really coming out of the woodwork and it is not a pretty sight.

I am not only to teach you how to count, Observer. Clark was in and out of different room 55 times, 11 times into G16 and 5 times into G22. Of course 11 plus 5 does not add up to 55. He was probably searching for rooms to hide the body, thus going into other rooms other than G22 and G16. He allegedly finally hid the body in G30, the locker room. Does that satisfy your “murder causing scan increase” requirement? Why did Clark not take her socks but just craved her shoes? Beats me. You are a scream. Yes, of course, somebody stole her notebook for its high-value data. And the police conspired with some secret agency to pin the murder on Clark. I must remember that when I start on my detective novel.

The police could not find his black-striped jacket, black T shirt, and slacks. Where are they?
What does “clairvoyance” have to do with knowing which rooms were occupied? He knew the building. You have avoided answering my question on the superhuman “real” killer who managed to elude, not only the ” unpredictable basement traffic,” but the hyperactive Clark. Are you saying the various blood samples were sprayed on by the police because a bloodied Clark would be too nervous to be even functioning? Killers are known for adrenalin rushes, moments of recklessness and so forth. Again, he could be quite accomplished in certain aspects and flopped badly in others. Sounds about right to me.
You believe Clark about seeing Annie leaving story? I sincerely hope there is a jury in your country who would share your wild imagination in this and the aforementioned points.
Observer, you really think that Clark should be bailed and found not guilty and welcomed back by Human Resource to work on the Yale Campus? I don’t know about you. But every Asian and/or other female student would quit Yale at once, I can guarantee you that.

Quite possible Clark killed her. The evidence seems convincing. But why so much blood around when cause of death was strangulation ? Or was it a blow that caused asphyxiation ? Maybe we had an irate Annie who was doing research and had no time that week for hide and seek games played by an employee who stretches the two hours of work into an 8 hr day ?
Or was sneaking out for various errands and his relatives and buddies would cover for him ? Yes when they know the layout they can catch a few winks.
At the least i’d say this Clark committed the crime but somebody else moved the body. Perhaps the person whose DNA/blood is on the XL lab coat ( yet unidentified) Maybe the cops placed her in there ? And watched RatBoy go nuts running around …….
The fishing gear was an excuse for him to enter premises ? Retrieve the body and head to the Branford river to dispose of the deceased !?
Just a guess – Maybe the pen was placed under her by the killer or accomplice as they thought it was somebody elses ? Maybe Mr.Unkaknown grabbed it from a desk assuming it belonged to another worker ?

To Helen Li: A first time killer like Clark would not have been so cool as to conceal the blood on his person, in the rooms, or the body, so that the police would not have known a murder had taken place for 4 days. Heck, even the other researchers entering those rooms would have seen something. But nobody saw anything. That means the killer moved the body around because they knew they were alone. That could only be achieved if the basement was known to be empty. Since other researchers scanned into G13 after Annie Le did, according to the warrant, how do we know that they weren’t all in there at the same time when Ray entered?
I’m not accusing the police of planting evidence. Whoever framed Ray was someone who knew his habits, like his use of the green pen. The police are taking the path of least resistance. Perhaps Clark looks guilty because he appears to be the one with the most card access, and spends the most time in the basement with the animals. But he was away from the basement two or three times during that day. Significantly, he was absent around the time the warrant is alleging his pen went missing, which coincides with the time the alarm went off. Also, the police never said his DNA were on the scrubs or lab coat they found, even though they positively identified his DNA on the socks (which they have not said were Annie’s).
The warrant said they could not find Clark’s jacket in the lab. Why would he keep it there for more than one day? He probably took it home the next day. No mystery there. A lot of the attempts to point to Ray as behaving suspiciously is also due to misunderstandings in Ray’s habits or work requirements. For example, the warrant said Ray went in and out of G13, touching a box with blood, and scrubbing a floor, in full view of the police. He wasn’t attempting to conceal his activities. If they didn’t tell him not to disturb the scene, then how was his behavior suspicious?
The warrant also mentioned blood in the car and at their home, but fails to mention whether it was human, fish, or animal. If Ray was the killer, and he completely changed clothing, there’s no way blood stains would have been transferred elsewhere. The blood would have been dried by 4pm, if she was killed late morning.

Observer, I notice that in all your comments, you had not mentioned Annie or her family once. It seems to be a game you are playing. So this is really the last time I am replying to you.
1)The jacket or the other clothing Clark wore upon entry to 10 Amistad were not found ANYWHERE.
2)He went from room to room 55 times. He probably stayed a short time in rooms other than G13, 22, and 30. He was looking for a hiding place in a hurry.
3)It is very hard to determine the time of death after five days. The police is probably withholding the estimation for a reason. Other evidences available make the exact time not crucial to a conviction.
4)Blood found were said to be mostly stains, not copious amount of it.
5)Again, your opionion about the capablility of a “first time killer” was idle speculation.
6)Nobody knew when the green pen was “missing.” All we know is Clark used a black pen to sign out.
7) The DNA on Annie’s sock was hers. I remember before you said it was Clark’s sock.
8)Instead of entertaining the idea of a missing person for so long, they should have reviewed the CCTV tapes asap, and would have discovered that Annie never left the building. This is a lesson to be learned. Not until September 12 when bloodied clothes were found (whose?) was the place locked down. So, on September 10, when Clark was seen tampering with the box of wipe-all and scrubbing spic-and-span surfaces like a demon possessed, his behavior was not seen as suspicious. It was only seen as such from hindsight.
9)Other researchers and staff noticed nothing for several days for the same reason.
10) You have again refused to tell me how the “real” killer managed to do all the things you said Clark could not do.
11) After Clarks was arrested, he refused to say one word, not one. Not even “I did not do it” once.

Either you are on medication; or you have some hidden hatred of law and order authorities; or maybe you think a killing of a person of Vietnamese origin is a suitable subject of mirth and merrymaking. You are not alone in this. I have seen the most vicious and racist attacks on Annie; maybe you just want to insult Asians as a hobby and this is your way of doing it. I have found that you are immune to entreaties or chastisement. But if you continue to post here in this vein, you should act like a man and register your real email address with the editor.

I will stop posting until after the New Year as a mark of respect to Annie’s family. I will pray for them, and think of their unimaginable pain of having to spend their first Christmas without Annie. Annie’s parents and brother and family, I hope you would draw comfort from the knowledge that many many people all over the world will be rememering her angelic qualities in this season of goodwill and hope; and praying for your family, now and in the difficult days to come. God Bless your family.

God Bless the staff at YDN and have a safe and good holiday.

To Helen Li: Why should Annie Le’s family be mentioned when discussing the case? Were they present at 10 Amistad when this occurred? Maybe you should let facts, and not emotion, rule your judgment.
1) They said that the jacket was not found IN THE BUILDING (I’d prefer to use italics, but this is text only). There would be no reason for him to keep a jacket in his work locker for 2 days. Did they check the tapes the following day to see if he left with it? They never said. Nor did they say they searched his place.
2) If Ray was scurrying from room to room, wouldn’t it look fishy to people? And during that time, I must ask again, when did he have time to move a body, and place it in the locker area? Are you to believe that he stopped worrying about the body, and scanned into the other rooms he was working in? If you read the warrant, he signed into more rooms other than G13 and G22. But there was only blood evidence found in those two rooms (actually, the first warrant included G33, but that’s absent in the new warrants). When did he have time? Please answer me that.
3) You’re right, it’s hard to determine time of death after five days. That’s why it becomes dangerous when you think someone is guilty just because they admitted to being the last one to seeing Annie (why would the real killer do that?); and his card scans, out of context, appeared to have increased. Sorry, but that’s not reason to convict in my books.
4) Stains require blood being transferred to be wet. It’s impossible for the blood to have transferred outside of the lab if he completely changed his clothing. And do you honestly believe he would walk out of that building with a blood soaked, black T-shirt?
5) I think many human behaviorists will agree that it would be very difficult for Clark, as a first time killer, to have evaded detection so competently, in a daytime killing in a place with researchers and employees coming and going. If it was in the middle of the night, in a dark alley, it would be a different story.
6) Police indicated in the warrant his green pen was last used 1:30pm. The next time he signed into a room, a black pen was used. So the pen clearly did not go missing before 1:30pm. When did he hide the body and drop the pen? What do you think?

To “By @Helen & Observer”
I thought about Clark’s ID being used by someone else, but that would mean he would have made a noticeable stink about his ID being missing. I don’t think it would have been practical for a duplicate to be made. The easier thing for a killer would have been to use Annie’s ID. Clark continued to use his ID because he didn’t kill her. He was just doing his job. Unless it can be proven that Annie was dead before 11am, the significance of the card swipes by Clark is diminished.
The items she was carrying in that surveillance image has not been identified. Ray Clark said in the warrant that she was seen leaving with her notebook and bags of mouse food. Perhaps that’s what was seen on the image?
Unless someone had Annie bound and gagged somewhere in the basement, I don’t think it was possible for her to be murdered at night. Plus, they found blood spatter in G13, so that indicates some kind of struggle occurred. The warrant also stated aspired blood was found in G22, meaning it could have been coughed up.
I don’t have any answers. Something about this case just never sat right with me. The police are human beings, and they can make mistakes. Even if Clark ends up being found innocence, him and his family’s reputation have been tarnished forever. And a killer will be on the loose. Clark also is using public defenders, not a high priced, high profile lawyer, so that could also go against him.
Nobody saw him commit the murder, or conceal the body, and no evidence brought forth has fully tied him to the death of Annie Le. They never mentioned in the warrant if his DNA was found in the glove(s), scrubs, or lab coat. Just an ‘unknown’ male was found on the lab coat, strange, considering they positively ID’d Clark’s DNA on the sock. We’ll see what happens.

I think this Helen is so angry that she does not mind what nationality the killer is. I wonder if she minds so much if the victim is a community college kid. That goes for the rest of the press.

To Yalie, you’ve already found Clark guilty. God help him if you were chosen to be on the jury. I don’t see this as a game, especially when someone is presumed innocent. The fact so many people can jump on the bandwagon with such circumstantial evidence being offered makes me concerned about Clark being given a fair trial. It doesn’t help that he’s using a public defender.
To Joey – if Ray is found innocent, he should be compensated. I don’t know if individuals who are wrongfully accused are automatically given a sum of money for what they’ve had to endure to clear their name. He’s certainly not going to be earning money from his job as he sits behind bars.
Recently they had a story about a guy who finally was exonerated after being in jail for some 35 years for a crime he didn’t commit. People should be scared that such things can happen, and it may happen to Ray if his lawyers can’t poke holes through the theory. I still can’t see how he committed the murder and hid her body, and cleaned it all up, without anyone seeing, and he was still able to continue to do his job, signing into various rooms and scanning some 55 times. And he had no problem hanging around the police on the first day they showed up on the scene, even admitting to seeing her various times. They have to prove she died before he said he saw her leave (around 12:30pm), and I have a feeling they can’t.

Observer, perhaps you should learn a little more about the CT Public Defender System before repeating silly stereotypes. CT is proud to have the best p.d. system in the nation. Would you rather Clark spent thousands and thousands of dollars to hire a big name media lawyer who would call the pd’s to ask them what to do?

Just what is the difference between a Pubic Defender and a high priced Yale/City Hall affiliate big cheese ?
One is overloaded with cases. Most are nobodies. One has clients with potent resumes. one fights as hard as they can , one walks in and winks after dozens of continuances.
What happens to the hundreds of exonerated convicts due to DNA and witness retraction ?
By the time that rolls around the arresting officers are where ?
Paraded to the Unions of Public Schools
ferried to Public works and then as a coup de disgracie.
– to Phellps gate , The Union Hall
Not so fast budderooskies here.
by the time of exoneration the names of police officers involved are long forgotten , but the mighty mighty will have them FOREVER.
Still can’t forget the repetitious call for police cleansing due to the constant courtroom bombardment involving the silliest most ridiculous accusations and arrests – never forget the unmentionables of the department in 98

@Barrister: You definitely have me at a disadvantage with your knowledge of the public defender system in CT. Do you have any statistics on cases won by public defender versus those by private lawyers?
I’m just being realistic. If you have the money, you’re going to be able to hand pick a lawyer to defend you. With a public defender, you take what you are given. I guess Ray Clark could fire them if he doesn’t like them, but the next lawyer could be just as bad. Would Clark be able to research public defenders and hand pick the one he’d like?

True, you can’t pick and choose your attorneys with the PD System, but Clark doesn’t need to. He’s got two of the best criminal lawyers in the State. They are easily on par with the top 3 or 4 private criminal defense lawyers in CT. The CT PD system is highly competitive and well paid. The usual media stereotypes really don’t apply.

When i first heard the name Clark i thought to myself – gee i wonder from which “union” arena is this kid from ?
The Clark of City Hall New Haven ? Is that William Clark (wil)? Or State District Attorneys’ office James Clark. Then of course there are plenty of Clarks about.
– But nobody walks into Human Services and obtains even a menial janitors job , and this is a few steps up the ladder for this $35,000 to start Lab person. So it has to be a “someone” . And for them to claim this “someone” is broke and can’t afford an Attorney was ridiculous. But of course as Observer points out, he was appointed the best of the Public Defenders office. Not bad for a guilty ratboy.
Wonder if this will lead to a “misunderstanding/forget it ever happened”.
Or is this for the States’ Attorneys Office dealing even light handidly with corrupt police officers and the joint effort is a message ?